"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
11/30/2019 at 16:26 • Filed to: None
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"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
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Maybe Porsche could’ve taught them to make a boxer engine that doesn’t have head gasket problems. Obviously Porsche/VW isn’t the greatest in reliability, but at least head gaskets aren’t a wear item replaced at regular intervals, which is ironic because German cars are known for things requiring regular maintenance that NEVER fail on Japanese cars.
Subaru is high-maintenance for a Japanese car. The worst* modern “Toyota” could’ve been the best modern “Porsche” where people are more willing to tolerate problems. And while Subaru is inferior to Toyota, they are no worse than Porsche.
It would also be more profitable since Porsche is known for their famous
options list. There would also have been a better chance of more power and a convertible version for these cars. A sunroof would be awesome.
*I recognize that this dubious
throne
has since been superseded by the BMW Supra, but at the time Subaru was the worst
Toyota-badged car
sold
in the
US. The Yaris was still a Yaris back then, too. The BMW
and Subaru make the Toyota Cavalier seem like a good idea in comparison. And what a missed opportunity! If the Supra was a Subaru instead of BMW, it could’ve been a Supraru :p
ranwhenparked
> dogisbadob
11/30/2019 at 17:26 |
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Or Volkswagen, as a new 914 or Karmann Ghia.
Tekamul
> dogisbadob
11/30/2019 at 18:00 |
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Those profit fil led options would never happen, as all of the specimens roll off the Subaru line. It would’ve been dealer add-o ns only.
The entire premise requires porsche to use some manufacturing capacity, and that would end up being a completely different beast, and therefore too expensive for Subaru to undertake.
Re ally Subaru could just use more durable gaskets.
WRXforScience
> dogisbadob
11/30/2019 at 18:42 |
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Head gaskets aren’t a problem with the FA engine.
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dogisbadob
> WRXforScience
11/30/2019 at 18:44 |
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I might believe that in 10-20
years when there are more than a few
examples with
200k on their original head gaskets
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WRXforScience
> dogisbadob
11/30/2019 at 19:08 |
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If you have problems at 200k miles, those aren’t reliability problems. The oldest 86's are 6 years old and I haven’t heard of any head gasket issues (I’m active on the forums). The FA seems to be pretty robust and aside from the valve spring recall on the early cars the motors have been very reliable.
I run my BRZ hard at the track (35 track days this year alone) and it’s been remarkable reliable. I know half a dozen other 86 owners with more miles who autox and track theirs and have had similarly good reliability experiences.
Now, an STi/Boxster 4-cylinder turbo collaboration would be amazing; however, the Porsche engines tend to be much more expensive than the Subaru ones (about twice).
marshknute
> dogisbadob
11/30/2019 at 20:46 |
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What?
The FA engine doesn’t have head gasket issues. You’re thinking of the (non-turbo) EJ engine that has long been fazed out.
Meanwhile Porsche is one of the most reliable manufacturers, scoring in the top 5 for nearly a decade, and often holding the 2nd place spot behind Lexus. They may be owned by VW, but they make their own engines, drivetrains, infotainment systems, etc.
wafflesnfalafel
> WRXforScience
11/30/2019 at 20:53 |
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yeah - it’s the valve spring thing on some that have been issues (and then the warranty repair fiasco.. .) Other than CVT problems (which the BRZ doesn’t have) I’m not aware of any systemic problems. You have any oiling issues? I worked with a guy that raced one for a while, (full race, not auto cross,) and had one of the inside cylinders explodify , but I haven’t heard anybody else having any issues like that.
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WRXforScience
> wafflesnfalafel
11/30/2019 at 21:29 |
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I haven’t had any oiling issues, I run an oil cooler since I’m in Texas and that seems to have done the trick.
The only people with issues like your friends that I’ve heard about had done forced induction. It’s also not terribly difficult to run into oil starvation or thinning with hard track use if you don’t keep an eye on things.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> ranwhenparked
11/30/2019 at 22:24 |
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Propheteer
> dogisbadob
12/01/2019 at 16:50 |
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Why do people insist on writing opinionated articles on subjects they have no clue about, meanwhile demonstrating that they are too lazy to exercise due diligence and research the backstory. A lot of bad long winded jokes could have been avoided this way including this piece .
A nyway long story short , The GT86/FRS/BRZ was Toyota’s brainchild and shopped Subaru to do the heavy lifting. Originally Subaru didn’t want anything to do with the project and had to be convinced. So how could Subaru take a car idea that they never conceived to Porsche?
A lso it’s not a rebadge, the word rebadge implies that it existed as something else before being rebranded as another this is clearly not the case .
Dogs**t article.
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Propheteer
> WRXforScience
12/01/2019 at 16:51 |
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This is nothing but extra low quality clickbait.
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> WRXforScience
12/02/2019 at 09:26 |
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By what model year was the valve spring issue resolved?
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WRXforScience
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
12/02/2019 at 09:38 |
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2014, only the early 2013's had the issue. There was a TSB and a recall, everyone affected was eligible to have the issue fixed for free by the dealers; however, there was some fear mongering about techs screwing up the service and a few people lost motors due to faulty repairs ( Toyota dealers seemed to be more likely to screw it up but there didn’t seem to be a large percentage of failures and actual numbers were less than 5%).
If you are looking for a used 86, starting with 2015 all issues were resolved (the 2014's only issue was the ignition coilpacks, to fix them you either have to replace the engine bay wiring harness or regularly replace the coilpacks).
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> WRXforScience
12/02/2019 at 09:59 |
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Good deal. I think it’s a foregone conclusion that I’ll own one of these at some point, especially now that they can be had for 15 grand or less.